Legislature(2021 - 2022)BARNES 124

02/04/2022 09:00 AM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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09:00:51 AM Start
09:01:22 AM Overview: Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
12:18:47 PM HB159
12:40:11 PM Adjourn
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+ Overview: Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act TELECONFERENCED
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+= HB 159 CONSUMER DATA PRIVACY ACT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 159(L&C) Out of Committee
                HB 159-CONSUMER DATA PRIVACY ACT                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:18:47 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  BILL NO.  159, "An Act  establishing the  Consumer Data                                                               
Privacy Act; establishing  data broker registration requirements;                                                               
making a violation of the Consumer  Data Privacy Act an unfair or                                                               
deceptive trade practice; and providing for an effective date."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:18:54 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCHRAGE moved  to  adopt  the proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  (CS)  for  HB 159,  Version  32-GH1573\G,  Bannister,                                                               
2/3/22,  as the  working  document.   There  being no  objection,                                                               
Version G was before the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
12:19:11 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS reported that since  the bill's last hearing work                                                               
has  been  done  with  insurance companies,  the  Alaska  Bankers                                                               
Association,  Lynden Inc.,  and  Lynden's attorney  to make  sure                                                               
that  a  couple of  negative  unintended  consequences would  not                                                               
happen from the bill.  The  intended target of the bill is online                                                               
companies   that  sell   consumers   information  without   their                                                               
knowledge or understanding  of what the impact of  that might be.                                                               
The  intention  of the  bill  was  never  to affect  a  logistics                                                               
company, a  bank, or an  insurance company.   Work was  done with                                                               
these  stakeholders to  make sure  that these  companies are  not                                                               
affected.   An important  example is private  right of  action to                                                               
protect consumers information in the online environment.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:20:26 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease at 12:20 p.m.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:21:59 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS  explained  that  one important  change  in  the                                                               
proposed CS for  HB 159 is the language worked  on with Lynden to                                                               
make sure that  the private right of action  to protect consumers                                                               
in  an  online environment  is  not  wielded by  an  unscrupulous                                                               
attorney against a  business that doesn't buy  and sell consumers                                                               
information.  A  look was taken at other states.   Version G sets                                                               
parameters around  the private right  of action to  prevent small                                                               
businesses  from being  targeted by  plaintiff-side lawsuits  and                                                               
sort  of  bullied  into  settling at  great  expense.    However,                                                               
preserving the private right of  action in the online environment                                                               
is important.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS said another important  change is an entity level                                                               
exemption  related to  the Gramm-Leach-Bliley  Act which  affects                                                               
insurers and banks.   This was language requested  by the bankers                                                               
and insurance  companies.  There  are federal  protections around                                                               
consumers information  in the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act,  and entity                                                               
level  protection ensures  that the  provisions of  this bill  do                                                               
affect  buyers   and  sellers   of  data   online  but   are  not                                                               
unintentionally  and  inappropriately   wielded  for  a  "gotcha"                                                               
lawsuit against  a bank or  insurance company; that was  never an                                                               
intent of the bill.   Co-Chair Fields offered his appreciation to                                                               
stakeholders for  working to ensure  that the bill's  language is                                                               
as tight as possible to fulfill the intent of the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:23:32 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
TRISTAN WALSH,  Staff, Representative  Zack Fields,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  reviewed the  11 changes  included in  the proposed                                                               
committee substitute,  Version G.   He  explained that  the first                                                               
change is the  deletion of [sections 1-5 of  Version I] regarding                                                               
biometric  information.     This  is  to   avoid  unintentionally                                                               
sweeping businesses  that are  using day-to-day  items such  as a                                                               
company phone with a thumb print scanner or face identification.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH  said the  second  change,  [page  10, lines  2-4,  AS                                                               
45.48.840(c)],  is the  addition of  language to  make sure  that                                                               
employers using things such  as just-in-time delivery, locations,                                                               
and things that  are within the scope of service  that a consumer                                                               
requested  and are  in the  course of  business, would  be exempt                                                               
from the bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH stated  that the  third  change, (page  14, lines  25-                                                               
27)[AS 45.48.865(5)],  is the  federal pre-emption  regarding the                                                               
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.   A conforming change,  the term "person"                                                               
is  used rather  than "covered  entity" because  it is  an Alaska                                                               
legislative drafting  standard, but it  is within the  intent and                                                               
scope of the amendment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  related that  the fourth  change, (pages  14-15, lines                                                               
28-8)[AS  45.48.865(6)(A)-(C)],  is  a clarifying  exemption  for                                                               
employers,  contractors,  and  their  employees  on  the  use  of                                                               
personal  information  related  to  job  applications.    Someone                                                               
sending in  their information  to apply  for a  job would  not be                                                               
swept up in  the bill.  Also, the use  of personal information of                                                               
an employee during the course of business would not be covered.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  conveyed that  the fifth change,  (page 17,  lines 15-                                                               
31)[adds  AS 45.48.865(g)(1)  and (2)],  clarifies exemption  for                                                               
consumers requesting  services, consumers using a  global opt-out                                                               
signal,  and businesses  using  or  sharing personal  information                                                               
with proper notice and within business purpose.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  specified that the  sixth change, (page 19,  lines 11-                                                               
21)[adds AS  45.48.875(b) and  (c)], adds  additional protections                                                               
for  businesses undergoing  mergers and  acquisitions.   In part,                                                               
the intent here  is that when a business is  working with a third                                                               
party, such as a consultant, to  understand the scope of a merger                                                               
or  an acquisition,  any consumer  personal data  that is  shared                                                               
will  be held  confidential  and cannot  be  used for  additional                                                               
business purposes of which the consumer is unaware.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH stated that the seventh  change, (page 21, line 22), is                                                               
a conforming  change that replaces  "buys" with  "collects" under                                                               
the definitions section at the end of the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH   addressed  the   eighth  change,   (pages  26-27)[AS                                                               
45.48.940(13)], which  is under  the section  regarding consumers                                                               
employers.    He said  this  change  [expands the  definition  of                                                               
consumer] to exclude the employer-employee  relationship if it is                                                               
being used in the context of business.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH turned  to the  nineth change,  (page 30,  line 24)[AS                                                               
45.48.940(25)],  and   said  it  includes  language   to  exclude                                                               
employer-employee  relationship  from  geolocation  data.    This                                                               
would be  something like  the employer using  a company  phone or                                                               
geolocation device to track a product.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH  explained that the  tenth change, (page 32,  lines 12-                                                               
14)[AS 45.48.940(31)(a)],  is a conforming  change.  It  adds two                                                               
more definitions  to the  government identifications  that should                                                               
be covered for various aspects  of industry and business   "known                                                               
traveler number" and "unique identification number issued on".                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALSH said  the eleventh  change, (page  33, lines  4-14)[AS                                                               
45.48.940(33), adds the definition of "share".                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:29:42 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY, regarding  the  tenth change,  requested                                                               
clarification  on  what  constitutes  the  unique  identification                                                               
number and what is being addressed in that.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH replied that this was  suggested by Lynden.  He offered                                                               
his understanding that it's something  truckers and people in the                                                               
shipping industry need  for crossing borders.   It's a government                                                               
issued  identification, but  it wasn't  captured in  the original                                                               
scope of the bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:30:24 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  added that the Alaska  constitution protects the                                                               
right  to privacy  but was  written before  the existence  of the                                                               
internet  and  the  centrality  of the  internet  to  how  people                                                               
socialize and  conduct commerce.  He  stated it could be  left to                                                               
the courts  to figure  out what protecting  the right  to privacy                                                               
means in the context of the  internet; but, he opined, that isn't                                                               
the  best solution.   If  [the  legislature] has  the ability  to                                                               
provide some definition around that,  it is to the public benefit                                                               
and the  benefit of business  to minimize the risk  of collateral                                                               
damage to businesses that don't  engage in this kind of activity.                                                               
The goal  of the  bill is  to protect  both consumers  and Alaska                                                               
businesses.   He thanked the  many people who put  in significant                                                               
time to make sure that the  bill is targeted and accomplishes its                                                               
purpose without unintended negative consequences.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:31:44 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY  recalled  Virginia  and  Colorado  being                                                               
referenced as  examples of this.   He asked what has  happened in                                                               
this evolution of development in referring to those.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS responded  that  California, Florida,  Virginia,                                                               
Colorado,  and Illinois  have passed  seminal data  privacy laws.                                                               
Elements  of each  of those  state's  laws are  included in  this                                                               
bill, along with elements that  are stronger, particularly around                                                               
enforcement.  This bill is also  different in that it's as strong                                                               
as  possible  in  protecting  local  businesses  from  unintended                                                               
negative  consequences.     For  example,  some   of  the  strong                                                               
biometric provisions passed by Illinois  may have to be clarified                                                               
because those were used against  businesses that weren't actually                                                               
focused on  the sale of  data.   Therefore, the language  in this                                                               
bill has  been made as  narrow as  possible to ensure  that local                                                               
businesses are not targeted for  "gotcha" lawsuits.  This bill is                                                               
not precisely  the same as  what any  other state has  passed but                                                               
builds on the experience of those other states.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCARTY recalled  it  being  stated in  testimony                                                               
that Virginia and  Colorado have done the next step  of making it                                                               
cleaner.  He asked where this bill is in reflection of that.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  FIELDS answered  that he  doesn't think  50 states  are                                                               
going to pass  the exact same law.   He deferred to  Mr. Walsh to                                                               
answer further.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:33:49 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALSH explained that use of  a global privacy signal is being                                                               
adopted  more   by  industry  and  becoming   more  prevalent  as                                                               
technology moves forward.  It is a  toggle on a phone than can be                                                               
switched to request to all applications  on the phone and the web                                                               
sites  visited  that the  consumer's  information  not be  shared                                                               
beyond the  service for which  the consumer is  immediately using                                                               
that  device.   Then, to  use the  consumer's information  for an                                                               
additional service  the company must get  the consumer's consent.                                                               
There  are some  protections  built into  this  bill against  the                                                               
"Dark  Web practice"  of  a company  using  attrition and  making                                                               
somebody click through  to get to the service  they are expecting                                                               
to use, such as watching a video  or ordering a pizza.  There are                                                               
many efforts  to ensure that the  use of a global  privacy signal                                                               
is something  that is seen in  other states where a  consumer can                                                               
easily with  one function opt-out  of the sale of  their personal                                                               
information, and  that is  in Colorado's law.   In  Virginia, one                                                               
major difference is the lack of a private right to action.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
12:35:27 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
12:36:23 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR FIELDS  pointed out that  many other states  have worked                                                               
on this.   California's  bill was groundbreaking  at the  time it                                                               
was passed, but  it didn't have a global  privacy control because                                                               
the technology hadn't gotten there.   So, iteration will continue                                                               
by the  states.  This  is a complicated  bill and it  likely will                                                               
not get  to the House  floor this year  or become law  this year.                                                               
It is important for other states  to work on this legislation and                                                               
learn from  one another.  He  said his interest is  to advance as                                                               
strong a  product as  possible and continue  to learn  from other                                                               
states and arrive at a consensus in the not-too-distant future.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:37:33 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAUFMAN said  each piece  of legislation  that is                                                               
done tries  to bring  benefit while  doing no  harm, but  all the                                                               
potential  areas of  harm may  not have  been polished  out.   He                                                               
expressed his  concern with trying  to do  at a state  level what                                                               
needs to  happen nationally, but  he respects the  comments about                                                               
the need to act as a  laboratory.  He questioned whether the bill                                                               
is there  yet given that which  is unknown.  He  said he respects                                                               
the need for privacy.  He  noted the growth of the digital sector                                                               
of the global economy, all the  hazards that it brings with it in                                                               
terms of privacy, monitoring, surveillance,  and on the flip side                                                               
the bias imposed  on who is allowed  on and who is not.   This is                                                               
an area  to put partisanship aside,  he opined.  There  are great                                                               
concerns  with the  way the  system performs,  what it  does, and                                                               
what its capabilities are, especially going forward.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:39:35 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  moved to report  the proposed CS for  HB 159,                                                               
Version 32-GH1573\G,  Bannister, 2/3/22,  out of  committee [with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the accompanying  fiscal notes].                                                               
There being  no objection,  CSHB 159(L&C)  was reported  from the                                                               
House Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
GuideBookDataset_FINAL 2.3.22.xlsx HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
IIJA GUIDEBOOK 2.3.22.pdf HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159 Summary of Changes from v. I to v. G 2.3.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159
HB 159 v. G Sectional Analysis 2.3.2022.pdf HJUD 2/7/2022 1:30:00 PM
HJUD 3/18/2022 1:00:00 PM
HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159
HB 159 CS (HL&C) Ver G 2.3.2022.pdf HL&C 2/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
HB 159